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2010-09-10 07:08:36

Posted by: tires6792



On: 2005-07-24 21:29:40

Post 100
peacock breeding

hi again,
i was wondering what it takes to get peackocks to breed. ive had them the same amount of time as my astatotilapia latifasciata. im on 6th batch of fry with them. but neither my ruby red peackocks or my yellow rock kribs have bred. i would like to get them to breed as they are not locally available at LFS. any tips would be helpful.

i did move my latifasciata to different tank thinking that they were too "rowdy" for the others to breed.8(a smart move?) so they are in there with my yellow rock kribs. do they need caves or flat surfaces? i have both in there. what foods do they need i give them a variety of foods. flake, bloodworms occasionally, mysis shrimp, spiriluna, and various pelleted foods.

im asking here because i see you have a variety of peacock.

thank you.




Posted by: Ryan



On: 2005-07-25 08:18:08

Post 102
Re: peacock breeding

> hi again,
> i was wondering what it takes to get peackocks to breed.


In general (and with most species) the three big factors are water quality, diet and environment. . . . more below.


> ive had them the
> same amount of time as my astatotilapia latifasciata. im on 6th batch of
> fry with them. but neither my ruby red peackocks or my yellow rock kribs
> have bred. i would like to get them to breed as they are not locally
> available at LFS. any tips would be helpful.
>
> i did move my latifasciata to different tank thinking that they were too
> "rowdy" for the others to breed.8(a smart move?)



A. latifasciata are too rough to be in with peacocks, so that might have been part of the problem.



> so they are in there with
> my yellow rock kribs. do they need caves or flat surfaces?



I don't know much about rock kribs, however the peacocks will look for a flat rock to spawn on; a smooth piece of slate or similar. You can get them at most garden stores. Get a bunch and put them around the bottom of the tank.



> i have both in
> there. what foods do they need i give them a variety of foods. flake,
> bloodworms occasionally, mysis shrimp, spiriluna, and various pelleted
> foods.


As far as food goes, I wouldn't feed bloodworms at all. They are too high in fats and can cause bloat, kidney and liver problems. I feed mine a combination of New Life Spectrum Cichlid Formula, Ocean Nutrition Omni flake, and occasionally some brine shrimp.

That covers the diet part of it . . . but there are two other "legs" to the table.

As far as water quality and environment goes:

What are you water parameters?
What size tank are they in?
What is your maintenance schedule?
How often and how large are you water changes?
Do you pre-condition your water at all?
How often do you vacuum gravel?
How often do you rinse filter media?
Do you use carbon?
What sort of rockwork and decorations do you have?
Exactly what other fish do you have in there?

:)
 
      
-- Ryan Chapin
HappyCichlids.com


Posted by: tires6792



On: 2005-08-03 23:39:33

Post 111
Re: peacock breeding

well ryan, i guess all i needed to get my peacocks to breed was.....patience. i didnt do anything different except maybe added 2 more small pieces of slate. oh yeah, i guess i gave them a good feeding of mysis shrimp...*(forgot about that) i found 1 female about 3" long and im guessing about 6 months of age, anyways, i found her holding today and i had to look twice and drop some food in to be sure. that verified it, no eating, then i got another surprise after i dropped the food in...i saw that my female yellow rock krib from lake victoria was holding also, as she wasnt eating either! so thats two "good blessings" in 1 day :)....maybe..3?...my large female ast. latifasciata released fry today. thats #6 batch!!!

i was wondering what to do with the female ruby. should i leave her in there for a few days as long as she isnt being harassed? im just afraid that if i try to get her out now, she may spit. i was thinking maybe if she held full for a day...that she would then be like...i dunno, attached to them? is that crazy thinkin?..lol i just dont want to lose the fry. any help would be appreciated thanks .
      



Posted by: Ryan



On: 2005-08-05 22:25:00

Post 117
Re: peacock breeding

> well ryan, i guess all i needed to get my peacocks to breed
> was.....patience.


I'd still be interested to get the answers to those other questions . . .

:)

> i didnt do anything different except maybe added 2 more
> small pieces of slate. oh yeah, i guess i gave them a good feeding of
> mysis shrimp...*(forgot about that)


A lot of times I've found that a fasting them for a day and then doing a 50% water change will trigger a spawn too.

> i found 1 female about 3" long and im
> guessing about 6 months of age, anyways, i found her holding today and i
> had to look twice and drop some food in to be sure. that verified it, no
> eating, then i got another surprise after i dropped the food in...i saw
> that my female yellow rock krib from lake victoria was holding also, as
> she wasnt eating either! so thats two "good blessings" in 1 day
> :)....maybe..3?...my large female ast. latifasciata released fry today.
> thats #6 batch!!!


Congrats!



> i was wondering what to do with the female ruby. should i leave her in
> there for a few days as long as she isnt being harassed? im just afraid
> that if i try to get her out now, she may spit.


I'd leave her in there for at least a week. After about a week or so you should be able to start to see the eggs getting bigger in her mouth.

Then, use the quick transfer technique
http://happycichlids.com/tips/quick_fish_transfer.html


> i was thinking maybe if
> she held full for a day...that she would then be like...i dunno, attached
> to them? is that crazy thinkin?..lol i just dont want to lose the fry.
> any help would be appreciated thanks.


No, not crazy. Although, I don't think whether they spit or not has to do with whether they are attached to the developing eggs. I think it has more to do with how much danger the fish thinks she is in and how long you keep her out of water.

The way I've always transferred holding fish is to use the aforementioned quick transfer and basically go immediately from one tank to another.

Hope this helps.
  
      
-- Ryan Chapin
HappyCichlids.com


Posted by: tires6792



On: 2005-08-06 01:26:11

Post 118
Re: peacock breeding

What are you water parameters?
What size tank are they in?
What is your maintenance schedule?
How often and how large are you water changes?
Do you pre-condition your water at all?
How often do you vacuum gravel?
How often do you rinse filter media?
Do you use carbon?
What sort of rockwork and decorations do you have?
Exactly what other fish do you have in there?
_____________________________________________________________

1.) my temp is usually kept around 78 to 80 degrees, ph is @ 8.0 to 8.5...*cheap tester* no exact number. have 2 bubble stones. a regent 30/60 filter & emperor 400 for filtration. 8800k lighting

2.) they are in a 55 plus oceanic tank

3.) i clean my tank weekly on days off. once in a while i will do an extra during week.

4.) once a week. i do at least 50% everytime because of some fry that are in there too.

5.) no i dont have a special tub to get water ready ahead of time. i have a python so i add chlorine remove where water goes in.

6.)cant really vacuum it too good i stir it up to remove larger particles. the substrate gets sifted by cichlids. i have estes crushed coral with black sand mixed in.

7.)i rinse filter media every week.

8.)yes i use carbon but i was thinking of not using it as i have read that many people havent used it for years without problems. only if they have to take medications out of the water or for smell. and that because of the volume and frequency of water changes you dont need it.what do you think?

9.) i have round river rock that are @ 4"-6"round with 4 varying sizes of slate throughout. stacked so there are plenty of caves and crevices for hiding..etc. i have various plastic plants scattered also.

10.) the fish i have in there now are 4 rock kribs, 4 ruby reds, and some larger fry from lat.astatotilapia.

 
      



Posted by: Ryan



On: 2005-08-07 09:56:25

Post 119
Re: peacock breeding


> 1.) my temp is usually kept around 78 to 80 degrees, ph is @ 8.0 to
> 8.5...*cheap tester* no exact number.

Yeah, I use the Tetra mini laborette set. My wift recently got me a digital PH monitor but I've not yet had time to sit down and calibrate and test it. That sounds well within a good range.


> 2.) they are in a 55 plus oceanic tank


Might be a bit small for them, you'll have to keep any eye out for aggression.

One thing that you can do is upgrade to a 75. Same footprint 48" long tank, but is deeper 18".


>

>
> 5.) no i dont have a special tub to get water ready ahead of time. i have
> a python so i add chlorine remove where water goes in.
'

One thing to keep in mind: municipal water supplies fluctute all over the board with the chemicals that they use to treat the water. IMHO, if you are filling directly with tap water I would go to 25% - 30% water changes twice a week. The reason being, that you may go for years with no problems, then one day do a water change, and regardless of what water treatment you add (I like Prime) have you fish die from shock or some other poisoning from chemicals added to the water.

>
> 6.)cant really vacuum it too good i stir it up to remove larger particles.
> the substrate gets sifted by cichlids. i have estes crushed coral with
> black sand mixed in.

Yeah, for that reason, I've resisted transitioning to sand/crushed coral. I still use gravel and vacuum about every three weeks or so. Realize, that as they sift, they are only going to eat what food they find and spit out other detritus.

I've heard that U.S. Silica Company - Mystic White II Pool Filter Sand is vacuumable.
http://www.u-s-silica.com/mystic.htm

I've yet to give it a try but want to, to see how it goes.


>
> 7.)i rinse filter media every week.


Yeah, me too.


>
> 8.)yes i use carbon but i was thinking of not using it as i have read that
> many people havent used it for years without problems. only if they have to
> take medications out of the water or for smell. and that because of the
> volume and frequency of water changes you dont need it.what do you think?


As you probably know, this is one of those "flame-war" topics. Currently, my position is that carbon is fine to use, as long as it's used properly. The one thing about it is that it needs to be replaced quite often; at the very least once a month (of course this also depends on the ratio of carbon to water). Also, what I do when I rinse it, I grind the filter bag in my hand, grinding the carbon pieces together to scrub off the outter layer. The first time I do it, the bucket of water turns BLACK. Then I do it again, and then rinse it in water until the water is clear again. Carbon does help to remove toxins from the water, odor, and makes it clearer.

So, I'd say it's OK, just make sure to replace it often.


>
> 9.) i have round river rock that are @ 4"-6"round with 4 varying sizes of
> slate throughout. stacked so there are plenty of caves and crevices for
> hiding..etc. i have various plastic plants scattered also.


Sounds perfect! :)


>
> 10.) the fish i have in there now are 4 rock kribs, 4 ruby reds, and some
> larger fry from lat.astatotilapia.


What exactly is the species of rock kribs?

 
      
-- Ryan Chapin
HappyCichlids.com


Posted by: tires6792



On: 2005-08-08 18:39:59

Post 122
Re: peacock breeding

thanks again for all your help.
i looked up the PRIME additive you talked about. i read the description of what it does....and i now have a new product to use..lol. just ordered some from internet.

i clean my carbon the same way, as far as rolling and squeezing etc.

the species of rock krib i have is listed on the "cichlid-forum" its the yellow rock kribs...(paralabidochromis sp.) they are from the south end of lake victoria, as the blue colored ones are from the northern parts. Scientific Name: Paralabidochromis sp. "Rock Kribensis"
 
 Common Name(s): Rock Krib, Chessboard
 
 Geo. Origin: Southern end of Lake Victoria
 
 Habitat: Shallow rocky areas - big & small boulder habitats & at steep or gentle slopes
 
 Diet: Omnivore
 
 Gender Differences: Dimorphic
 
 Breeding: Maternal Mouthbrooder
 
 Temperament: Aggressive
 
 Conspecific Temperament: Highly Aggressive
 
 Maximum Size: 5"
 
 Temperature: 78-82°F
 
 pH: 7.2-8.6
 
 Water Hardness: Hard
 
 Difficulty:2
  *by the way the transfer was successful for both female krib and ruby...no fry lost and very little stress!

****FROM THE I CANT BELIEVE IT DEPARTMENT:
------- i found another female ast. latifasciata holding again yesterday. HHHEEEEELLLPPP!!...LOL THATS 7 HOLDINGS IN 3 MONTHS NOW!!!
      


  



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