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2010-09-10 05:57:32

Posted by: Vwebmaster



On: 2006-04-14 12:22:40

Post 428
Salt in tank

I have 12 cichlids in a 55gal tank, and I am wondering how much salt there should be in the tank, and to test it?

vortexwdesign


Posted by: Ryan



On: 2006-04-14 12:33:49

Post 429
Re: Salt in tank

Hi Vortexwdesign,

I run my tanks with anywhere from 0.18% - 0.22%.

I use a mixture of Doc Well Fish's Aquarium salt (1 cup for 55 net gallons or .872 tsp per gallon) and Instant Ocean (1/2 cup for 55 net gallons or .436 tsp per gallon, have I yet mentioned that I hate the standard system?).

To test the level I use an Aquarium Pharmaceuticals pond salt level test kit:

http://www.backyardstyle.com/shop/index.php?page=shop-flypage-6116

Much easier to deal with then an hydrometer which is incredibly hard to use on such low salinity.

What kind of fish do you have?
 
      
-- Ryan Chapin
HappyCichlids.com


Posted by: Vwebmaster



On: 2006-04-14 15:11:43

Post 430
Re: Salt in tank

Question?
1. what is a net gallon?
2. Im not to sure, but I think if I was to add 1.5 cups of salt to my
tank I would think all my cichlids would have a heart attack.
 
I have:
1. 75gal tank
with:
1-Red Oscar
1-Tiger Oscar
1-Tiger Shovelnose Cat
1-Retropinnis Bichir
 
I Have:
2- 55gal tanks
the first one has: 12 Cichlids
3-Electric Yellows
2-Blue Peacocks
2-Electric Blue
3-Fuelleborni
2-OB Peacock
1-Clown Loach
 
The other one has: 5 Cichlids
3-Frontosa
2-Tretocephalus
1-Clown Loach

thanks
David
      
vortexwdesign


Posted by: Ryan



On: 2006-04-14 16:55:22

Post 431
Re: Salt in tank

> Question?
> 1. what is a net gallon?

The net gallon measurement for a tank is the actual volume of water that a tank holds minus gravel, rockwork, filters, fish and anything else that is in there.

For instance. Your 55 gallon tank is probably closer to 52 or 53 gallons because the manufacturer measures it from the /outside/ of the glass. If you did the actual measurements from the inside and then the calculation it'd probably be closer to 53 or so.

So, if you've got a 55 with rocks and gravel you'll need to figure out what the net gallon volume of the tank is before you go adding salt to it.

The absolute easiest way to do this is if you use a preconditioning system like this:
http://happycichlids.com/Tank_Setup_and_Maintenance/Water_Conditioning_and_Prefiltering.html

Of course, it doesn't have to be a 55 gallon barrel that you are using, but something that is a defined gallon amount that you can use to measure out your pre treated water.

If you go that route, it's a bit easier, since you add your salt to your water as you pre-treat it and you know the net gallon amount.

> 2. Im not to sure, but I think if I was to add 1.5 cups of salt to my
> tank I would think all my cichlids would have a heart attack.

:) Yup, adding it right away would probably send them into shock and might kill them.

The first thing to do is get a test kit and then do some experimentation with tap water and a 5 gallon bucket. You can measure out 4 gallons worth of water and then add a mix of the Doc Well Fish's salt and the Instant Ocean until you get to the right salinity percentage and PH. As I mentioned. I use 1 cup of Doc Well Fish's salt to 1/2 cup of Instant Ocean per 55 gallons but that's based on my tap water.

I use the Instant Ocean to increase the PH. Your water and salt recipe will vary depending on your tap water.
>
> I have:
> 1. 75gal tank
> with:
> 1-Red Oscar
> 1-Tiger Oscar
> 1-Tiger Shovelnose Cat
> 1-Retropinnis Bichir
  
Very cool. I don't know much about the Retropinnis Bichir except that they are African river fish that are pretty passive. How does he do with the oscars?


> I Have:
> 2- 55gal tanks
> the first one has: 12 Cichlids
> 3-Electric Yellows
> 2-Blue Peacocks
> 2-Electric Blue
> 3-Fuelleborni
> 2-OB Peacock
> 1-Clown Loach

An interesting mix. I'd be careful mixing the different species of Peacocks as they might hybridize and would also be a bit wary of the mixing Peacocks with mbuna. You'd probably be OK with the Electric Yellows but the Fuelleborni are super aggressive, and when they get big they become terrors. Not that they are bad fish, I've just found that they do best in at least a 125 single species tank with only one male and about 10 females.

>
> The other one has: 5 Cichlids
> 3-Frontosa
> 2-Tretocephalus
> 1-Clown Loach

Cool, tanganyikan tank!

Hope this helps.
 
      
-- Ryan Chapin
HappyCichlids.com


Posted by: Vwebmaster



On: 2006-04-14 18:06:39

Post 435
Re: Salt in tank

The Retropinnis Bichir does really good with the Oscars, when I first got the (Dragon Fish)aka=Retropinnis, I had him in with a few community fish, He ate them.
When they say that the Retropinnis are passive fish, don't be fooled because they will eat anything that they can get in there mouth.
I plan on getting a 200gal tank here in the next few days and then I can separate some of the cichlids out.
I would like to start breeding them
 
      
vortexwdesign


Posted by: Ryan



On: 2006-04-14 18:25:24

Post 436
Re: Salt in tank

Very cool. Which are you looking to breed?

If so, you need to make sure that you've got clean males and females, not ones that are already hybridized. The peacocks and the labeotropheus are notorious for hybridizing, so just make sure that you get your breeding stock from a reliable source.

This guy, Bob Pilato, gets great fish and will ship them too:
http://oldfishnewfish.com/
      
-- Ryan Chapin
HappyCichlids.com


Posted by: bikeguy33



On: 2007-10-26 23:53:51

Post 970
Re: Salt in tank

add what the container tells you to.....no more but less is okay
 
      



Posted by: bikeguy33



On: 2008-02-15 23:08:35

Post 1147
Re: Salt in tank

first off....that is incredibly high salinity....if you insist on that much with cichlids....at least do it VERY gradually. all at once they will have a heart attack....gradual, their scales will be good but they will always dehydrate....
      


  



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